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We know digital dentistry can be tough, and like a lot of technicians and dentists, I know I struggled managing all the ins and outs of moving from conventional to digital dentistry. I still do!
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-Michael Frazier
Would be great to have an option to Print > Selected To CSV or Excel
I do a daily production log for CAM so we can track internally what needs to be milled/printed etc. and grabbing this info to have in a spreadsheet would make things much easier.
Currently what I do is Print selected to a PDF, upload to google docs, then copy and paste the values into a google sheets form
CSV format would help eliminate a lot of the steps above.
For the time being, try "open office", it's free and has all things Microsoft Word, excel etc.
Can we get both mouse buttons to pan (I think that is the correct term) as well as the third button? Unite does this, but dental designer doesn't. Thanks!
You mean translate?
I really appreciate the new tool for adding any scan as an attachment, it really changes things for some workflows. BUT what would make it truly awesome is if I could decide to make it additive OR subtractive 🤯
...and to be able to change the colors, 3 scans in grey suck....
You can always go to control panel and do that there
When I design a complete denture with designed teeth and want to mill each tooth separately, why can't I cut off the approximal contact areas? or is there an option that I just haven't seen yet?
i was thinking of this option
Right click and select move to medial contact. Repeat for each tooth. You should get a check mark ✅ for mesial, distal and antagonist for each tooth as applicable.
Looks like you're coming from C&B, what you're asking for is unnecessary imo, sorry. However, you can either morph the teeth with the green ball/yellow ball stretch tool, if your are looking for a tighter embrasure or like already mentioned, right click and move to mesial/distal contact. Or use carded teeth then you won't have this problem at all or uncheck morphing in settings and it probably won't go through if the teeth are intersecting each other.
You need to go back into the order form and modify. If you have the teeth as bridged you will not have this option to plane cut contacts. Keep this in mind. Bridged is the default because it's the most widely used workflow because of the UV properties. The last thing you need is the contacts not fitting because of warping. It can most definitely happen like it does with flexi partials.
There is no reason to have this constraint for an implant bridge workflow since gingiva will bond everything together. In fact its a huge disadvantage. Being able to separate the teeth slightly would allow for a better pattern milling because you could have more definition in the interproximal area, etc.
A lot of implant bridges are FP1 or FP2. So, no ging to join everything.
Green stage cutbacks are the way to go. Better than the mill can do IMO.
90 degree C-clamp milling with a .6 burr is the best way to go. If you want to get real crazy use it with a .3 as well. It only helps the anterior region but those are the money makers anyway.
Ill mention a work around to morph the roots so that they are touching but it would be nice not to have to do that.
Can we have an option to set how we want our cam output files to be labelled? Maybe have each crown or tooth/die be numbered with their corresponding Universal or FDI tooth number instead of this arbitrary sequential numbering that starts in the middle of nowhere, ends in the middle of nowhere, and almost never has the teeth output in correct order.
ESPECIALLY difficult when I'm trying to re-mill a single lower central incisor that chipped and trying to compare one stl of a lower incisor next to another incisor is next to impossible when they look so similar.
Its easy. Go in setnig -system seting. there can you choose parameters for output files
Not near pc to check, but there should be something amout tooth number in cam output in Control panel -> Manufacturing process
Having many many implant systems on 3shape makes it difficult to locate a needed library. Search field is long time past due. Thanks for listening.
Well it's not there, but in the order setup (I'm sure you know this) you can start typing in the field and it'll search and only show the ones with the letters you typed.
i love to collect implant libraries. my goal is to have every single one of them.😈
While designing a Chrome framework with teeth we need to cut the teeth into the metal and not metal into the teeth right? I can't understand why this option doesn't exist?
Dear 3shape,
Maybe when I make a copy > standard copy of a case, and you ask me if i want to keep the design, that ALSO means that I want to keep the parametric/emergence design of the abutments so my new order is a... you know... COPY of what I previously had🙄
Now instead, I'm going to have to jump through some waxup abutment hoops and additional scans saving to get these abutments identical so i can replicate my design with some minor updates without destroying my previous order. God forbid I need to change my manufacturing process and trigger an entire redesign just because I want to go from Raw STL to CAM 4😕
Uughhhhh I hate this so much. I've had to do with really weird stuff in the past. Like you have something designed on top and milled already and you just want to make a small change to the abutment and the emergence profile completely mangles everything on reload.
I’m very curious , what are 3 shape doing to end with this and others big problems that are on the “brain“ of this old 3 shape , they are redoing 3 shape from the beginning or just investing time on little apps for dentist ? I don’t understand what they see in near future for dental system , they just think on launch new updates or versions with old and new problems sometimes Bigger than old versions , we pay a lot of money with 3 shape licences to use blender, mexmixer and others softwares to do or finish or sometimes redo some part of a work ? I don’t understand their philosophy when a big percentage of laboratories use digital, and the software have errors that only exist on a startup software . What are their vision? The near future on dental system ??
This is the most disappointing part of implant design! Any, and I mean ANY change wipes out the abutment design...
Genuinely I’d like to understand why this isn’t possible. And/or saving a let’s say a .dentalds file 🤷🏼♀️ to save where you want. Go back where you want. It’s a design tree I get it-not built the same way but can there be a start-stop that opens and closes clean from where we choose? Stop the tree-restart the tree. Possibly an option in the order that denotes this option or not enabling that capability inside the workflow?
Yes! And Gingiva too please
This is where exocad wins. Easily swap parts on large cases
Deleting order will put order into windows bin? Can we get this? In case someone accidentally click delete and goodbye humanity forever…
You can allready adjust setting in CP deleting case in database but keep files.
Dear 3Shape, in 99.9% of all cases, when I click "Copy and Append", I need the teeth I removed before designing........you guessed it....... removed.
Hi, can you explain what exactly you are doing and trying to achieve?
Sometimes I have to use the control points to refine my margins. This can be hundreds for a bar margin. It would be nice if there is a parameter to control the distance between the control points for the total number of the control points. I spent 15 minutes to move all the points for this case. Hahaha.
try to click your advanced option and under that is point distance box , increase it to 0.600 or 0.800 and it will helps you a lot savings time fixing your margin.
It would be valuable to have the ability to place case numbers in the denture positioning guide. From time to time we get modeless cases and this would help to match them to a pan.
Bring the guide into copy denture add the name , but yeah it could be easier if it was automated
I always write the name of patient on the outside rim of puck when I do my nesting!
Could you show me order form that case? Thanks you so much
UI/UX: 3Shape Unite Store only letting the user install all updates at once is very limiting. Maybe I want to update one module but hold off on updating other modules due to known issues with the latest version.
Should let the user install updates individually. By all means, also give the option to install all for convenience too.
Apple App store on MacOS is clearly the inspiration behind 3Shape Unite Store. At least copy the good features too!
Can we get a copy and append that only saves the outside surface of everything? Right now it appends as a bunch of discreet objects that causes all sorts of annoyances. I run it every single time through meshmixer to flatten it all.
Make solid
💯
It would be so cool to be able to add additional s scan and have the possibility to align them when using trios.
Most of the time when I want to do this I have to duplicate the case and then I export manually.
Like when I want to scan a prep under a partial removable
Prep without partial
Prep with partial
Partial alone
… I hope it makes sense for you too.
Thank you for feedback Alexandre. This is for sure quite high on our list 🙂
Yes! We need it asap!:) And the 3shape viewer functionality builtin in trios/implant studio as well. Would make it way more functional and would make more sense with some full digital protocols!:)
Multiple bite function without duplicating the case would be very useful
This is probably the 3rd time I'm suggesting this, we need the full denture tooth moving tools in Crown and Bridge. The blue dot, the arrows being available from cranial view.
Ditto & same 💯
But does that limit things in regards to anatomy for reuse?
Would be great if we had a tool for the 2D cross section similar to the arch spline in implant studio where you can set a spline for the cross section to follow, then i could just scrub through my immediate proposed extractions and ridge reductions quickly to make sure I'm prepping the virtual model properly rather than dragging and rotating the cross section every few mm to check.
I like
Like panoramic curve in implant studio.
It would be really nice if we could use the morphing tool instead of just wax knife in the sculpt on model after the digital extraction. Takes way to much time really dialing in your extraction points for immediate dentures
Blenderfordental.com
Would also be nice to have the possibility to rotate the view in 2d crossection and viewer
We do a lot of copy denture and then new impression inside the copy to make the new ones. It would be great if there was a feature to remove like 2mm of material inside the copy denture in the design stage before milling/printing to make room for the impression material. Right now we grind and grind....
Hi, Chris, thank you for the suggestion, we'll see what can be done. For now you can use blocking wax to add 2mm to the scan. Set 2mm, it's 4mm by default, limit on Sculpt blocking wax and add wax manually
Is it possible to get the stippling tool in the fixed workflows. It would be great to be able to paint the tissue on an All-On-X for stipple.
As someone has said on here before, "All tools in all situations" (Minh Tran).
Export when finished import into copy denture and paint/create is the current work around
It would be super handy if we could switch implant component on the go...without modifiying order etc....You go over scan body aligment and then, watch out, you can, based on implant coordinates, try different ti bases, MUA's, angulated MUA's, different height and what stays selected it's choosen in order automatically...for instance so annoying to align scan flags, go into design, see that height or angle is off, go back to order, reproduce steps till design again etc...
It would be super cool find out in 3Shape which component we need without try&error...use them, order is automatically modified...And push library manufacturers to use also REF numbers....
Yes for sure! Trios design studio has this and it's amazing.
Scanned cases modifying works when I modify a digital impression it typically crashes
Totally Agree Scan - identify the implant platform coordinates. Then choose parts for the restoration based off design.
Expert mode.. 🙏😂
yes this would be fantastic!
With Mark Smith 's permission I'll post a video of trios design studio switching implant components
Feast your eyes on the this: Trios design studio with implants. So pretty.
Wouldn't it be nice if there as a button to set the current design as the initial starting point and delete all design history? This will speed up the full arch cases because you won't have to wait for the redesign when you go back to change one margin, for example, and come back to design. Manipulation the 'Anatomy for reuse' folder is cumbersome.
Yes, good idea. Especially if you send the Doc 2 designs, make the 1st the starting point and the 2nd the end of the design. If he choses 1st, just undo all, if he choses 2nd, then it'll open that one.
Great idea 👍
Fantastic idea that is probably doable. In fact….
Great idea! It would be nice if it automatically updated the antaglio surface when modified as well instead of just the bite. Too many steps required.
Love the ideal.
👍🏻
Oooooo get on it 3shape!!!!
Whoa. I think my mind just broke in half
Such a good idea!! 😁😁😁
would be cool is the undo feature had a date and time for each step. sometimes you open a case from the day before and do a bunch of stupid shit you regret and want to revert to yesterdays design, but don't know where you started.
You are spending too much time thinking about things. Try less clicks and less minutes. Sometimes it’s a you problem and not a software problem 😂😂😂
Save a backup copy of your anatomy folder. And modeling tree file. Then you can always go back.
And the idea makes sense, noted
Dear 3Shape, can we or could we get AUX tool also in 3D preview? Sometimes it would be nice to be able to export some parts of case directly without going into opening case...
Hi, Ales. What is AUX tool? And what is the need to export only some parts of the case? And what parts are exactly are we talking about?
Yesss this! So many phantom orders just to align scans... If 3d preview had additional scans that would be very sweet.
Dear 3Shape::
Can we just get rid of the dongle somehow??? I hate carting that thing around when I am doing trainings or on vacation. Having to overnight it because I forgot the stupid thing. What is the point!?
Interesting - do we have usb requirements in our specs for PC?
Agree but in the meantime get usb server and VPN…
Use an usb hub 👻
But dongles are so 2019 😂
Minh, I have a solution 😌
Yes! If they are listening…. We need an accurate solution for aligning CBCT and iOS scans for design fabrication of surgical guides, immediate provisionals, and final hybrids. asap🙏🏼
I’d love a tool like this…
An open source CAD program-Freeform has my favourite tool- “Layer” you activate the part, select tool size, select layer thickness, and then “add”
It makes it super easy to bulk up one area on a part vs another.
Example: one of my DR likes a “bulky” lingual portion of the tray but a slim buccal area. A tool like this would be great.
Could we have “Digital impression” as an option for the “3D bite plate” in workorder?
The copy denture module is soooo close to being amazing. I think the module should be expanded to include the popular 'reference denture' workflow. It's so close to working so well that it is frustrating to see it fall short. It's really common to want to be able to keep the denture base but replace the teeth. Copy denture can segment the teeth really well, but man o man what a dream it would be if you could then move those segmented teeth, resize them, or replace them with other teeth from a smile library. I thinking specifically a combination of the temp pontic workflow from c&b module with copy denture. Segment the teeth, be able to use crown and bridge tools (ANY TOOL ANY TIME!), or open smile library and swap them out. That would create a lot of happiness in the world.
Right now I must take a copy denture, call it an impression, draw a spline to make a model (Why is a model involved at all?), to draw a spline on a model to make a denture border (why?), So I can then freehand morph the base back to where it was. All this simply so I can swap out the teeth.
Thanks for listening devs!
It's bedtime, Will.
yeah i think copy denture is meant to "COPY" denture. i would alo like to be able to swap teeth and keep the base same.
Taras Kucher
Love the phrase “Any Tool Any Time”.. amen (same keyboard shortcuts too please).
Maybe add replacing teeth?
Can be possible to change the color of the model on Implants copy bridge, please ! gray maybe , that yellow is something else . Thanks
The ability to place attachments in the very last step of the denture module, like "Finalize" in C&B. Cause if I place these in the "sculpt anatomy" and/or "sculpt denture base" step, I get error after error even if I select "monoblock".
What is the need to have attachments there?
If you looking for screwholes in the denture, wait till the new 2022 release😉
It would be nice to have an estimate time left or any status of how long it will take us to install/set up Unite/Trios software. I hate staring at a screen.
For the love of god! Can this please stop happening when an order is loaded with a digital
Impression. The work around is soooo tedious and shouldn’t be necessary.
This happens even when you select digital impression ? (Not model)
Check "impression"!!! Problem solved.
Make additional scans a different colour than prep arch and opposing. So we can clearly see them contrasted when overlaying them.
And make it optional to save aditional scans in other colour!
Been noted many times, sorry don't think it will make it into 2022 though.😉
For God sake, can you please make choosen icon be HIGHLIGHTED so that normal person knows what has been choosen as indication! Asking for this since...
At my desktop it's blue colored
Mine is also blue highlighted..
Regarding this is Win11 issue as support says so...
For as far as I know its a windows 11 glitch
Yes I correctly it's a bug on windows 11, but it should only happen on clients pc of a server client
We were advised don't upgrade for win11, friend of my upgraded, and since that his is like that.
This sounds like a rough day. Have a drink Ales Tomsic it’s Friday 🍻
OS Windows is responsible for this setting. It's possible to adjust it by changing windows theme www.laptopmag.com/how-to/change-a-theme-or-customize-one-on-windows-11
I would like to be able to output a fixed case with split file
1. Base/gingival file with holes to whatever connection I’ve chosen
2. Tooth file that fits into the base file with holes for the corresponding screw channels
Pretty please and thank you
I can currently create all the files I need but it takes several orders and is a hassle
Will try base with designed teeth over implants on my next case and report back with results
Request: double right click to align the viewport perpendicular to the surface normal that was clicked.
Cerec Connect still needs improvements. The file success has improved but there is still a problem when additional scans are added to the Cerec file before the doctor sends the file. It seems the problem is with 3Shape’s interpretation of these scans. BioCopy Upper or BioCopy Lower needs to be interpreted as Prepreparation and Scanbody Upper or Scanbody Lower needs to be interpreted as Implant Alignment Arch. Currently, any additional scans cause the import to fail through 3Shape Communicate. The antagonist ends up missing along with any additional scans. Please resolve this issue ASAP.
Samir Zubcevic Rafael Galiakberow
Can we super pretty please have an option to always generate an STL no matter what the manufacturing process is set to? I would love to crank out a CAM5 and an STL for every case.
Examples of why this matters:
You have an ivoclar mill and a roland mill and don't know which one you will use for each case so you want the flexibility
You don't know if you will press or mill emax
You are going to print a denture first and then potentially mill it also.
Would be an easy fix, but would be really nice.
Thanks!
Also if the the Copy Reuse Cad can always pull from the stl monoblock it would make aligning much easier if there is a new bite!!
This is my favorite feature of Exocad and 3Shape neeeeedddss it!
I believe that you can no? If you set the manufacturing type to Cam 5 and afterwoods you generate the manufacturing and visualisation output don't you have a Cam 5 and an STL? No sure of what I'm saying
Hello everyone. In my honest opinion, I think 3shape is a great software to design, it gives you freedom and if you know how to, you can design everything.
But that doesn’t mean there is no room for improvement. In my daily routine, some options I would love to be included to make life easier are :
1-When morphing to waxup scan, I’d like to have a finish line , the same as when you copy a tooth from prep scan. Sometimes waxups are with gingiva and we have to make a lot of manually adjuatments just because the software morphs the tooth also to the gingiva. also the quality of morphing to be more sharp ??
2-When desiging cases more than 1 unit, I’d love to have an option that doesn’t let teeth overlap each other(it can be checked or unchecked same as sculpt on protected surface), it can be good for contact points but also not to have so much work figuring out each mesial and distal area for ex . 24 single units( some technicians might know how much work this needs.)
3-How about having the option to lock some certain areas of the tooth while designing , it can be done with painting for example,or by drawing a line, and we know that we are not doing anything to that part of tooth. Sometimes to fix something we go and change something we don’t want to and the shape changes drastically. It is a 3D design but we have 2D control over them , not the same as keeping the crown in your hands.
4-Wax knife for minus to have options of tool shapes ?
Maybe none of them is possible, but as a suggestion group I though to share my thoughts.
Full contour designs are becoming headline in today’s dentistry and in my opinin is fair to make them better for our customers, but also our life easier 😛
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I was looking at getting a t-scan (tekscan) for integration of full arch cases. Seems that this technology could easily be adopted into the 3shape software and scanner. Would be an invaluable tool to add to digital articulation. Full arch cases would become a slam dunk!
Way too many times I got a request from dentists to include pano screen shot with case.
It would be nice of 3shape to automatically include if in surgical report.
Yes please. When I plan my own cases I have to screen shot. If I farm it out to Scan can I don’t have it available…also it would be nice when we cut teeth to fit guide tubes a report would be automatically generated that says which teeth to ext, where to shave so we remember….I may or may not have ext wrong tooth before then free handed
Would it be possible to have an easy way in Trios were we could create demo cases library from our cases to show patient? Maybe an app where we could chose before and after scans and labeled cases. Labels like veneers, crown, bridge, various implant restoration. The patients name needs to be removed.
Can someone explain to me why copy denture ask for "cloud" "point" something file- I'm tired. Instead of offering the option of DCM,STL,CLOUD?
When does it ask about it?
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Can we have the occlusal plane of the virtual articulator match the position of the occlusal plane we set in the Model Analysis step? Often we need to open the VDO arbitrarily for a try-in monoblock case so this would save us a step in having to move the plane into proper position again
And have it set the position in the virtual articulator as well.
Sometimes it's tough to get a proper connection between the base and the model. In some cases I had to move the base straight to the molar. Wouldn't it be cool to have the option to mark an area and click "connect"!?
When I look at a case in 3shape communicate portal can I tell if the dr has marked the margins? If so how if not then I suggest that
Thanks
Happens often to us as well. Doctor calls: did you receive my scan? I look it up in 3ShapeCommunicated portal (website), quality is crap, can't see a thing. Go to DentalSystem, wait for ages for the case to load in 3D preview, can't see margins. Have to accept the case and open it and go through all the initial steps just to see if there's a margin. Combined with the re-sellers telling doctors "don't mark the margins, the lab prefers to do it"...
When importing STLs or complete orders into 3Shape, it seems like the folder gets "locked" and we then cannot rename or move any files for a while. Not sure if it's a 3Shape issue or Windows file system issue, but makes management of our files convoluted.
Can I request a thickness heatmap in copy denture. Almost sculpted this a bit too thin without any visual indicator.
Great idea!
Or a minimum thickness constraint
Taras Kucher
Can something be put in the code that if an indication gets added to an opposing the software will just rename the antagonist file to preparation?
A bunch of us can just casually go in rename stuff, but seems like an easy fix to save headaches for newer techs
No, newbies need to earn it like we have 😂
What code? Is there a secret code?
Id love to be able to toggle off the color on scans by default in CP. when I open an order, I can't tell you how many times a day I have to go monochrome
Agreed. Color is distracting
Yes, same here!
YEP!
The tooth removal part of implant studio is absolutely dire. No bandaid tool, no ability to sculpt the tissue. God forbid there is a black triangle or more than one tooth in a row. I've given up on it. I import the scans into a fake order in dental designer, remove the teeth there and export again. Every tool in every indication anyone?
You rang?
Also, to allow a change of indication at any time would be nice.
Also, if I could add, it's extra annoying because when you remove a tooth it would be nice to go back and forth with the ct scan to see if you exo you did is reasonable. Too much and your guide with get hung up on bone, too little and the guide will be unnecessarily thin. Now I sometimes have to go back and forth around two different programs and amend the implant studio design to the new models everytime.
And adding a virtual tooth is a pain where you don’t want an implant but need one added to see what sizes spaces etc etc
Adam Stoot 3Shape
We completely recognize the shortcomings of the tooth-removal step, and this is on our list of areas to revisit.
Hello,
Can I suggest having the ability to sculpt on die at the Margin Line stage? Would help with reduction coping designs so you know when your good vs toggling back/forth to Prepare stage
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Or… you know…. Sculpting on die at… any stage😅
I'd love to be able to ditch around the die and have the margin be locked
Re install an older version..........lmfao! No but seriously, #anytoolanytime
Can someone confirm what configuration is needed to be able to design in 2 computers with 1 dongle ? I used to do it that way , but since a subscription update this year , i am not able to dot it . Thanks
Someone who can help me please. how to ditch in the model
Ask in this group instead www.facebook.com/groups/672247806173300/?ref=share
Don’t bother. Scan is terrible
Why in the world would 3Shape decide to remove the snapshot/screenshot tool in Dental Designer 21.2.2? Can we please get it back?
Totally agree!!! I asked it couple of weeks ago... Only reactions was use windows snapshot...
I'm a dentist using ImplantStudio for all my implant planning. With the latest update I cannot make virtual bridge, just virtual crown. Could it be possible to bring back the bridge option in planning?
The only way around currently seems to put virtual crown everywhere but I have to place implants under every tooth. So it create a guide with guide tubes colliding or not being use. With multiple single virtual crown, I'm also unable to move multiple unit together so it become much more work to create these crown in the right position.
Also I would like to be able to send my planning with the virtual teeth to an external lab so they could finalized my design and make an interim printed or milled immediate prosthesis.
Maybe I need Dental system to do what I would like, but I won't be using much of it apart from the virtual bridge option that was in ImplantStudio prior to Unite upgrade.
I am struggling with the same thing! I just started designing the virtual crowns as temp on prepared in dental designer, combining it with additional scans and importing it in implant studio as a preprep. Not as nice as before, but it does have the benefit that if I need to do an immediate temp or even the final down the road, I can convert the design easily.
I posted about this a month ago and no one responded btw
Birk Ploennigs (adam is not on)
Hi all, my apologies for that error in the software. We are aware of it and working on a solution. I will get back to you tomorrow with an update on the time line.
Hi all, Also sorry from my side about this issue. We have some weeks ago released a temporary fix. When selecting the Implant Studio action, it is possible to add additional virtual crowns (besides the one(s) under the implant(s)) by selecting the single restorations and "crown on prep" - these will be treated as additional virtual crowns. Virtual crowns placed next to each other will act as a virtual bridge, and can be scaled together. A proper fix, where multiple virtual crowns can be added while placing the implant, will be released during the summer, but at least the full functionality is available now using the "crown on prep". Hope this helps!
We used to have this bug upto the DS20 and I wished it would never be fixed but it's gone in the DS21. Can you add this 'No shine' as an option in the future DS? I find it much easier to see the margins with the matt color compared to the shiny color scan. This bug happens when you 'Save' the scan using the 'Addition scans' and 'Load' it back to the order. Pretty simple. This was a HAPPY BUG for me. 🙂 Now I have to 'Save' the scan using the 'Additional scans', then create a new order form using the 'Design Module: DentalDesigner 2020', Open the order, then go through the usual process to create he matt version. 🙁 It's too time consuming. I want this bug back as a new feature!!
I can't test it right now, but try this: Click the "fullscreen" icon in the right-hand toolbar (looks like 4 arrows pointing towards the corners) or press F11 A top menu will appear, click on "file" (first menu) Click preferences Un-check Material Shaders
Nice retraction!
I think it can be done, as I recall while ago Lorant Stumpf did some modifications but forgot where, maybe it’s in 3shape study group if you search his posts…
This probably would end up at the very bottom of the 3shape "TO-DO" list. But it would be nice if the 3shape 3d viewer had it's own preview panel plugin so it doesn't break the preview panel in windows. Also would be nice to have a thumbnail generator that would automatically generate thumbnails so you can quickly identify STL/ply/dcm/obj files without having to open them in the 3d preview window
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When this happens, it's usually because the owner only shared it with a small group of people, changed who can see it or it's been deleted.I mean, free tools like "Papa's best" Thumbnail generator do it really well. It's not out of reach for 3Shape to implement. papas-best.com/stlviewer_en papas-best.com/stlthumbnails_en
That makes too much sense, good one
Can we get implant studio to spit out a quick and dirty model to print at the end? Annoying to make two order forms.
Will Varda What prevents ordering digital models in Dental System together with Implant Studio indications?
Just use Model Maker
The ability to change the assembly type on-the-fly at the last step
Am I missing something? Once you set up the order as milled base and milled teeth for example, the CAM output will be CAM5 for all of that, plus CAM5 for monoblock, plus 2 STL's for printing monoblock. So, why would you need that?
Yes please
We also need those option for copy denture.
Yeah I hate that glitch. The stl that 3shape generates there sometime gets funky with the monoblock.
what an amazing library of teeth you are using! where to get it?
Also be able to change on the fly/erase connectors or add.
Can we get the wax tools in implant studio for finalizing the guide? Putting support bars everywhere is so clunky when I just want to thicken an area.
Quick bandaid is to bring it into copy denture after the fact and clean it up
Realview during the Sculpt denture base step, sometimes you want to visualize high smile line and if it shows too much gum or not
The "Arc Transformation" tool would be more useful if the adjacent teeth maintained the contacts rather than being separated like this.
Yes to add to this: arc transformation would work so much better If it followed compensating curves in the posterior and rotated along the marginal ridges/long axis almost like everything was attached with a string that connected through the central fossa
They simply need to bring almost every feature from the denture module into C&B and we all be happy!
See how excodad handles this situation. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wez8kpyfqDg
After I have designed a denture as a digital impression I would like to be able to use copy reuse cad and scan a new bite in scan it dental. Because it was designed with a digital impression I am only able to import scans which makes the workflow complicated and doesn't always work.
Yes, please! Drives us bonkers!
Agreed.
In the coming 2022 version there is a new option that you can copy and reuse cad design and import the new scanned tryin denture from the trios
Yay!
Paint surface to protect: I know it's been requested here a few times before by many users. But I'll toss it in here again.
Very often, when working on a case like this copy denture with a wash, it would be nice to paint the teeth and cervicals to protect those surfaces from sculpting... and if i want to smooth away excess impression material, or maybe get a bit more artistic with sculpting the base, I can do it a bit more haphazardly without worrying about my teeth.
Not only for this application, but for a few other indications that would really benefit from locking a surface to protect it from my fat-finger tool use
paint and lock the margins so we can remove tissue.
Yes!!!
If scan abutments code for “implant position” why can the system not allow for restoratively driven abutment planning for screw retained restorations.
It would be preferable to design the restoration and select through available abutment systems for that implant system from Any manufacturer DME to make the best choice of abutment from a restorative space, emergence, analog choice, model design etc.
Guessing from digital scans to select parts from limited catalogs is far from ideal. It either decreases outcome or wastes time.
This change would also improve model builder.
Systems with analogs you or your account prefer could be chosen for the model work, abutments chosen for the best clinical result.
The data is all there.
This would be brilliant.
Curious why there is a limit to 10 additional scan files in an order is it a resource thing or????
It will overload DS and self destruct.
Probably some variable that has an arbitrary limit of memory allocation
You really tested this?! Good to know!😄
Hm... what could be the reason to have more than 10 scans? And how many are needed? And you're correct, it's all about resources. One TRIOS scan has ~500 000 triangles. 15 scans(2 jaw scans+bite+2 pre-prep scans + 10 additionals scans) in total will have ~750000 triangles. Adding more might decrease fps to a very low values I'm not sure if the most beautifull 3D games have such amount of triangles at the same time drawn in the scene. Because a lot of different techniques are used there for optimisation. E.g LOD(Level of Detail) is a technique of reducing mesh complexity as objects become more distant from the viewer.) developer.arm.com/documentation/102496/0100/Level-of-Detail---LOD
When using several remote designers and sending orders for them. It would be very helpful to have several options for checked out orders. Ex different colors or names on the checked out icon. To keep track of witch remote designer has what orders.
My biggest problem with outsourcing is I cannot correct the margins, insertion directions, etc. easily. 3Shape has so many errors with this. Exocad let’s you correct everything. Why does 3Shape withhold so much control from its users?
So it's 3 Shape's fault for your choice of designer?
I have no problem with IOS or correcting margins if needed.
Don’t understand completely, why is 3shape fault if you outsource design and you can correct margin etc? That is designers job…
And also you wrote in 3shape group you are looking for a designer, so can you explain what exact suggestion you have or this post has no sense…sorry…
What errors? Fixing a margin line on a two unit case is easy peasy. Maybe if you post them we can help you figure it out
It would be great if the trimmed part of scan on full dentures could become the base of the denture automatically.
This would save lots of time on creating a new spline as well as in sculpting stage.
Also ensures the best possible fit.
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I wish copy and append to cad design would remove the separation between the crown and the model and just generate a solid shell. Making nightguards under crowns, etc.. always generate so many errors due to the crack between the crown and the model. Usually I have to run things through meshmixer to seal it all.
Meshmixer is the way… or rub it through model builder and attach designs to the scan
Yes please!! Meshmixer shouldn’t have to be our go to!
I dream of a world one day when I don't have to teach my staff Meshmixer...
Copy and append to preparation scan was never designed for printing, it is needed to reuse the scan+design digitally. The functionality to combine scan and design for manufacturing has been introduced in Model Builder 2020
Tiny annoying thing about model builder that's always bothered me. If you ever need to go back to redesign/step backwards
It always changes the value of the text depth into a positive value, so instead of embossing the text, it becomes positive. Would be nice if the negative value was retained from redesign, or changing between steps. Very annoying to have to go back and change it AFTER generating the hollows and drain holes
Type, it's confusing.
Totally!
super annoying
This!
Haha. It has been like this as long I can remember. Sure would be nice to finally get rid of it. And also if the shortcuts we know from dental designer could be the same in MB as in DD
Is it set that way in your control panel?
Just set it in your material settings
Thumb up for B4D. Incredibly fast software improvement.
Good
Blender for dental is the only dental software that teaches you about meshs and how to use meshs how to correct mesh. editing verticies and faces.. 3 shape has been out for over 20 years and doesn't teach any of their technicians nor any of their 3rd party technicians about mesh meshes and how a mesh can become distorted from an oral scan or from a desktop scanner And how to fix those meshes so that the 3 shapes software doesn't lock up on you when you're doing a big case. Again blender for dental is the only dental CAD software true CAD software that educates you on how to fix mesh verticies. 3shape none exocad teach you any of that. 3 shaped came out in I think 2007 2008 and it wasn't until what 20 years later they finally have a mesh correctioning. 3 shape is just a graphical user interface to make it easy for anybody to design any type of case you don't even have to be a certified dental technician you can be somebody off the street and make any type of Crown or case using 3 shape. So what I'm saying is you need less experience to use X ocad or 3 shapes software then you do blender you need more cad experience and understanding from a engineering standpoint.
Rafael Galiakberow coming out swinging, I love it!!!!!! 🙂
This is pretty cool!
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When this happens, it's usually because the owner only shared it with a small group of people, changed who can see it or it's been deleted.Can we have all the refine functionality in model builder 🙏
Germen Versteeg, it depends on how important is it for dentures workflow. Don't you get scans with already inverted normals and with improved boundaries after designing dentures? Please tell 3Shape what problem will it solve for you. Why do you even design digital models in your workflow?
Hi there! I don't know if someone has said it before, but wouldnt it be COOL to be able to use the mirror tool even on simple dyes..?
The "mirror tool" wouldn't apply to frames because there is no set ratio for pontic size. It also doesn't apply to temps because of the same fact that there is little margin data.
This might have been suggested but what about turning the 3D Preview into a web viewer where we can create a link to send to dentist?