3shape Study Group • Let’s Change Dentistry Together
Welcome to 3Shape Study Group!
Our mission is to be your go to source for quick, easy, and FREE help with anything related to 3Shape Dental System or the Trios Intraoral Scanner.
We know digital dentistry can be tough, and like a lot of technicians and dentists, I know I struggled managing all the ins and outs of moving from conventional to digital dentistry. I still do!
That is where this group comes in. As of this writing, we have more than 30,000(!) members from over 235 countries that can help you with whatever it is you can’t quite figure out. We invite you to post your cases, workflows, comments, and photos as we all work together to help one another!
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-Michael Frazier
I was looking at getting a t-scan (tekscan) for integration of full arch cases. Seems that this technology could easily be adopted into the 3shape software and scanner. Would be an invaluable tool to add to digital articulation. Full arch cases would become a slam dunk!
Way too many times I got a request from dentists to include pano screen shot with case.
It would be nice of 3shape to automatically include if in surgical report.
Yes please. When I plan my own cases I have to screen shot. If I farm it out to Scan can I don’t have it available…also it would be nice when we cut teeth to fit guide tubes a report would be automatically generated that says which teeth to ext, where to shave so we remember….I may or may not have ext wrong tooth before then free handed
Would it be possible to have an easy way in Trios were we could create demo cases library from our cases to show patient? Maybe an app where we could chose before and after scans and labeled cases. Labels like veneers, crown, bridge, various implant restoration. The patients name needs to be removed.
Can someone explain to me why copy denture ask for "cloud" "point" something file- I'm tired. Instead of offering the option of DCM,STL,CLOUD?
When does it ask about it?
following
Can we have the occlusal plane of the virtual articulator match the position of the occlusal plane we set in the Model Analysis step? Often we need to open the VDO arbitrarily for a try-in monoblock case so this would save us a step in having to move the plane into proper position again
And have it set the position in the virtual articulator as well.
Sometimes it's tough to get a proper connection between the base and the model. In some cases I had to move the base straight to the molar. Wouldn't it be cool to have the option to mark an area and click "connect"!?
When I look at a case in 3shape communicate portal can I tell if the dr has marked the margins? If so how if not then I suggest that
Thanks
Happens often to us as well. Doctor calls: did you receive my scan? I look it up in 3ShapeCommunicated portal (website), quality is crap, can't see a thing. Go to DentalSystem, wait for ages for the case to load in 3D preview, can't see margins. Have to accept the case and open it and go through all the initial steps just to see if there's a margin. Combined with the re-sellers telling doctors "don't mark the margins, the lab prefers to do it"...
When importing STLs or complete orders into 3Shape, it seems like the folder gets "locked" and we then cannot rename or move any files for a while. Not sure if it's a 3Shape issue or Windows file system issue, but makes management of our files convoluted.
Can I request a thickness heatmap in copy denture. Almost sculpted this a bit too thin without any visual indicator.
Great idea!
Or a minimum thickness constraint
Taras Kucher
Can something be put in the code that if an indication gets added to an opposing the software will just rename the antagonist file to preparation?
A bunch of us can just casually go in rename stuff, but seems like an easy fix to save headaches for newer techs
No, newbies need to earn it like we have 😂
What code? Is there a secret code?
Id love to be able to toggle off the color on scans by default in CP. when I open an order, I can't tell you how many times a day I have to go monochrome
Agreed. Color is distracting
Yes, same here!
YEP!
Scanning multiple units for Atlantis using the same scan body is a completely horrible experience, whatever you changed, can you please change it back to 2016
#DentalTechTip: use globs of blutak and knead them into cylinders that are roughly the same height as the atlantis scan bodies, then place them in each implant site and use that as your pre-scan, highlight, and swap scan bodies from site-to-site as needed
The tooth removal part of implant studio is absolutely dire. No bandaid tool, no ability to sculpt the tissue. God forbid there is a black triangle or more than one tooth in a row. I've given up on it. I import the scans into a fake order in dental designer, remove the teeth there and export again. Every tool in every indication anyone?
You rang?
Also, to allow a change of indication at any time would be nice.
Also, if I could add, it's extra annoying because when you remove a tooth it would be nice to go back and forth with the ct scan to see if you exo you did is reasonable. Too much and your guide with get hung up on bone, too little and the guide will be unnecessarily thin. Now I sometimes have to go back and forth around two different programs and amend the implant studio design to the new models everytime.
And adding a virtual tooth is a pain where you don’t want an implant but need one added to see what sizes spaces etc etc
Adam Stoot 3Shape
We completely recognize the shortcomings of the tooth-removal step, and this is on our list of areas to revisit.
Hello,
Can I suggest having the ability to sculpt on die at the Margin Line stage? Would help with reduction coping designs so you know when your good vs toggling back/forth to Prepare stage
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Or… you know…. Sculpting on die at… any stage😅
I'd love to be able to ditch around the die and have the margin be locked
Re install an older version..........lmfao! No but seriously, #anytoolanytime
Why in the world would 3Shape decide to remove the snapshot/screenshot tool in Dental Designer 21.2.2? Can we please get it back?
Totally agree!!! I asked it couple of weeks ago... Only reactions was use windows snapshot...
I'm a dentist using ImplantStudio for all my implant planning. With the latest update I cannot make virtual bridge, just virtual crown. Could it be possible to bring back the bridge option in planning?
The only way around currently seems to put virtual crown everywhere but I have to place implants under every tooth. So it create a guide with guide tubes colliding or not being use. With multiple single virtual crown, I'm also unable to move multiple unit together so it become much more work to create these crown in the right position.
Also I would like to be able to send my planning with the virtual teeth to an external lab so they could finalized my design and make an interim printed or milled immediate prosthesis.
Maybe I need Dental system to do what I would like, but I won't be using much of it apart from the virtual bridge option that was in ImplantStudio prior to Unite upgrade.
I am struggling with the same thing! I just started designing the virtual crowns as temp on prepared in dental designer, combining it with additional scans and importing it in implant studio as a preprep. Not as nice as before, but it does have the benefit that if I need to do an immediate temp or even the final down the road, I can convert the design easily.
I posted about this a month ago and no one responded btw
Birk Ploennigs (adam is not on)
Hi all, my apologies for that error in the software. We are aware of it and working on a solution. I will get back to you tomorrow with an update on the time line.
Hi all, Also sorry from my side about this issue. We have some weeks ago released a temporary fix. When selecting the Implant Studio action, it is possible to add additional virtual crowns (besides the one(s) under the implant(s)) by selecting the single restorations and "crown on prep" - these will be treated as additional virtual crowns. Virtual crowns placed next to each other will act as a virtual bridge, and can be scaled together. A proper fix, where multiple virtual crowns can be added while placing the implant, will be released during the summer, but at least the full functionality is available now using the "crown on prep". Hope this helps!
We used to have this bug upto the DS20 and I wished it would never be fixed but it's gone in the DS21. Can you add this 'No shine' as an option in the future DS? I find it much easier to see the margins with the matt color compared to the shiny color scan. This bug happens when you 'Save' the scan using the 'Addition scans' and 'Load' it back to the order. Pretty simple. This was a HAPPY BUG for me. 🙂 Now I have to 'Save' the scan using the 'Additional scans', then create a new order form using the 'Design Module: DentalDesigner 2020', Open the order, then go through the usual process to create he matt version. 🙁 It's too time consuming. I want this bug back as a new feature!!
I can't test it right now, but try this: Click the "fullscreen" icon in the right-hand toolbar (looks like 4 arrows pointing towards the corners) or press F11 A top menu will appear, click on "file" (first menu) Click preferences Un-check Material Shaders
Nice retraction!
I think it can be done, as I recall while ago Lorant Stumpf did some modifications but forgot where, maybe it’s in 3shape study group if you search his posts…
This probably would end up at the very bottom of the 3shape "TO-DO" list. But it would be nice if the 3shape 3d viewer had it's own preview panel plugin so it doesn't break the preview panel in windows. Also would be nice to have a thumbnail generator that would automatically generate thumbnails so you can quickly identify STL/ply/dcm/obj files without having to open them in the 3d preview window
I mean, free tools like "Papa's best" Thumbnail generator do it really well. It's not out of reach for 3Shape to implement. papas-best.com/stlviewer_en papas-best.com/stlthumbnails_en
That makes too much sense, good one
Can we get implant studio to spit out a quick and dirty model to print at the end? Annoying to make two order forms.
Will Varda What prevents ordering digital models in Dental System together with Implant Studio indications?
Just use Model Maker
The ability to change the assembly type on-the-fly at the last step
Am I missing something? Once you set up the order as milled base and milled teeth for example, the CAM output will be CAM5 for all of that, plus CAM5 for monoblock, plus 2 STL's for printing monoblock. So, why would you need that?
Yes please
We also need those option for copy denture.
Yeah I hate that glitch. The stl that 3shape generates there sometime gets funky with the monoblock.
what an amazing library of teeth you are using! where to get it?
Also be able to change on the fly/erase connectors or add.
Can we get the wax tools in implant studio for finalizing the guide? Putting support bars everywhere is so clunky when I just want to thicken an area.
Quick bandaid is to bring it into copy denture after the fact and clean it up
Realview during the Sculpt denture base step, sometimes you want to visualize high smile line and if it shows too much gum or not
The "Arc Transformation" tool would be more useful if the adjacent teeth maintained the contacts rather than being separated like this.
Yes to add to this: arc transformation would work so much better If it followed compensating curves in the posterior and rotated along the marginal ridges/long axis almost like everything was attached with a string that connected through the central fossa
They simply need to bring almost every feature from the denture module into C&B and we all be happy!
See how excodad handles this situation. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wez8kpyfqDg
After I have designed a denture as a digital impression I would like to be able to use copy reuse cad and scan a new bite in scan it dental. Because it was designed with a digital impression I am only able to import scans which makes the workflow complicated and doesn't always work.
Yes, please! Drives us bonkers!
Agreed.
In the coming 2022 version there is a new option that you can copy and reuse cad design and import the new scanned tryin denture from the trios
Yay!
Paint surface to protect: I know it's been requested here a few times before by many users. But I'll toss it in here again.
Very often, when working on a case like this copy denture with a wash, it would be nice to paint the teeth and cervicals to protect those surfaces from sculpting... and if i want to smooth away excess impression material, or maybe get a bit more artistic with sculpting the base, I can do it a bit more haphazardly without worrying about my teeth.
Not only for this application, but for a few other indications that would really benefit from locking a surface to protect it from my fat-finger tool use
paint and lock the margins so we can remove tissue.
Yes!!!
If scan abutments code for “implant position” why can the system not allow for restoratively driven abutment planning for screw retained restorations.
It would be preferable to design the restoration and select through available abutment systems for that implant system from Any manufacturer DME to make the best choice of abutment from a restorative space, emergence, analog choice, model design etc.
Guessing from digital scans to select parts from limited catalogs is far from ideal. It either decreases outcome or wastes time.
This change would also improve model builder.
Systems with analogs you or your account prefer could be chosen for the model work, abutments chosen for the best clinical result.
The data is all there.
This would be brilliant.
Curious why there is a limit to 10 additional scan files in an order is it a resource thing or????
It will overload DS and self destruct.
Probably some variable that has an arbitrary limit of memory allocation
You really tested this?! Good to know!😄
Hm... what could be the reason to have more than 10 scans? And how many are needed? And you're correct, it's all about resources. One TRIOS scan has ~500 000 triangles. 15 scans(2 jaw scans+bite+2 pre-prep scans + 10 additionals scans) in total will have ~750000 triangles. Adding more might decrease fps to a very low values I'm not sure if the most beautifull 3D games have such amount of triangles at the same time drawn in the scene. Because a lot of different techniques are used there for optimisation. E.g LOD(Level of Detail) is a technique of reducing mesh complexity as objects become more distant from the viewer.) developer.arm.com/documentation/102496/0100/Level-of-Detail---LOD
When using several remote designers and sending orders for them. It would be very helpful to have several options for checked out orders. Ex different colors or names on the checked out icon. To keep track of witch remote designer has what orders.
My biggest problem with outsourcing is I cannot correct the margins, insertion directions, etc. easily. 3Shape has so many errors with this. Exocad let’s you correct everything. Why does 3Shape withhold so much control from its users?
So it's 3 Shape's fault for your choice of designer?
I have no problem with IOS or correcting margins if needed.
Don’t understand completely, why is 3shape fault if you outsource design and you can correct margin etc? That is designers job…
And also you wrote in 3shape group you are looking for a designer, so can you explain what exact suggestion you have or this post has no sense…sorry…
What errors? Fixing a margin line on a two unit case is easy peasy. Maybe if you post them we can help you figure it out
It would be great if the trimmed part of scan on full dentures could become the base of the denture automatically.
This would save lots of time on creating a new spline as well as in sculpting stage.
Also ensures the best possible fit.
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When this happens, it's usually because the owner only shared it with a small group of people, changed who can see it or it's been deleted.Yes plese!
3D printable high temp refractory resin would be nice.
I wish copy and append to cad design would remove the separation between the crown and the model and just generate a solid shell. Making nightguards under crowns, etc.. always generate so many errors due to the crack between the crown and the model. Usually I have to run things through meshmixer to seal it all.
Meshmixer is the way… or rub it through model builder and attach designs to the scan
Yes please!! Meshmixer shouldn’t have to be our go to!
I dream of a world one day when I don't have to teach my staff Meshmixer...
Copy and append to preparation scan was never designed for printing, it is needed to reuse the scan+design digitally. The functionality to combine scan and design for manufacturing has been introduced in Model Builder 2020
Tiny annoying thing about model builder that's always bothered me. If you ever need to go back to redesign/step backwards
It always changes the value of the text depth into a positive value, so instead of embossing the text, it becomes positive. Would be nice if the negative value was retained from redesign, or changing between steps. Very annoying to have to go back and change it AFTER generating the hollows and drain holes
Type, it's confusing.
Totally!
super annoying
This!
Haha. It has been like this as long I can remember. Sure would be nice to finally get rid of it. And also if the shortcuts we know from dental designer could be the same in MB as in DD
Is it set that way in your control panel?
Just set it in your material settings
Thumb up for B4D. Incredibly fast software improvement.
Good
Blender for dental is the only dental software that teaches you about meshs and how to use meshs how to correct mesh. editing verticies and faces.. 3 shape has been out for over 20 years and doesn't teach any of their technicians nor any of their 3rd party technicians about mesh meshes and how a mesh can become distorted from an oral scan or from a desktop scanner And how to fix those meshes so that the 3 shapes software doesn't lock up on you when you're doing a big case. Again blender for dental is the only dental CAD software true CAD software that educates you on how to fix mesh verticies. 3shape none exocad teach you any of that. 3 shaped came out in I think 2007 2008 and it wasn't until what 20 years later they finally have a mesh correctioning. 3 shape is just a graphical user interface to make it easy for anybody to design any type of case you don't even have to be a certified dental technician you can be somebody off the street and make any type of Crown or case using 3 shape. So what I'm saying is you need less experience to use X ocad or 3 shapes software then you do blender you need more cad experience and understanding from a engineering standpoint.
Rafael Galiakberow coming out swinging, I love it!!!!!! 🙂
This is pretty cool!
Me parece que al grupo le puede gustar
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When this happens, it's usually because the owner only shared it with a small group of people, changed who can see it or it's been deleted.Can we have all the refine functionality in model builder 🙏
Germen Versteeg, it depends on how important is it for dentures workflow. Don't you get scans with already inverted normals and with improved boundaries after designing dentures? Please tell 3Shape what problem will it solve for you. Why do you even design digital models in your workflow?
Hi there! I don't know if someone has said it before, but wouldnt it be COOL to be able to use the mirror tool even on simple dyes..?
The "mirror tool" wouldn't apply to frames because there is no set ratio for pontic size. It also doesn't apply to temps because of the same fact that there is little margin data.
This might have been suggested but what about turning the 3D Preview into a web viewer where we can create a link to send to dentist?
my3dlink.com I think this is the best option until 3shape adds in something natively
To show your design you mean? You can do this threw 3shape communicate
I think 2022 will have it
Awesome suggestion!!
Would be nice if we had the option to batch-modify and assign operators by shift+selecting cases and then right clicking to assign an operator for multiple cases.
Would be a very quick way of tracking designer productivity if our designers could just right click and highlight their recents for the day on their station and assign operator. Currently it's possible, but you have to do it on a single case-by-case basis by right clicking each individual one
Especially useful if you are compensating per design, but also useful if you want to use the data for performance reports or easy tracking of who designed what in the event of a remake situation
Already there since DS-2010
To make life really easy can we have the align to bite and additional scan option added to 3D viewer so we can get rid of the ghost orders🙏🙏
Dummy orders take too much space and time. I agree.
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Samir Zubcevic please align use case with Germen Versteeg next week😊
It would be very helpful to be able to refine normal models (I know you can import them as digital impression), but it would make us gain some time if this option was available for every type of scans directly
Not only that but also being able to prepare a watertight model for printing. We cut the bases off of all watertight scans and run them through model builder as digital impressions. Would be faster if we didn't have to do that additional step.
It would be great if you could rotate a CT scan in the crop stage of Implant Studio.
Can we drop the lingual green line on upper and lower bicuspids? I think the step is too big and we had a handful of people complain about it when I didn't alter it.
I always sculpt the linguals of the anteriors to cover more
Yes great idea, we always have to fill that gap
We also had complaints when forgotten 😊
Please add the sculpt step before trimming the scan, that would be a big help.
In the words of Minh Tran . It's almost like we need all tool's available at all times.. 🙃
A denture base collision warning please, I sometimes forget to check. I get warned about the green line on the teeth every time, lol.
looks like you need to open the bite 🙂
Medit software assigns different colours for different scans. Can we have this option for the additional scan? It is difficult to control the visibility sliders when I have many additional scans because I have to hover over the sliders to see the name of the files.
After all the years we have been working with 3shape and IOS orders I wonder this ....
Why is there not a provision when we align ScanBodies to SCULPT the model once we have the alignment completed.
We all know if there is not an emergence scan the smart thing to do is to copy the scan locator scan and MAKE one so we can sculpt this prior but it seems like such a simple and intuitive fix.
I get why we can't just sculpt the working model on the fly but at this step there is nothing done in the design tree that will be affected.
Generally speaking sculpt should always be the first tool available to clean ios scans and remove artifacts before trimming the borders
It’s almost as if we needed… any tool… at any time 🤓
Dear god. You said it
Can we get a reduction jig for carded teeth. Milled and printed teeth are fine, but aesthetically a carded, layered, cross-linked denture tooth is much better looking.
Having a printable jig that we can use to quickly zip off any denture teeth for setting into a printed or milled base would make it a much more viable digital production method.
There are some patents surrounding this from various companies, wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason why it isn't available. You can use the option for base + teeth with basal reduction, print the denture base with tooth sockets and the holes that penetrate through it and then reduce manually after placing the carded teeth in that denture base
A-Amen 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I was more thinking about a way undermilled base. Glue the teeth in and then the machine mills away. Tooth base will be visual at the end, but it doesn't matter.
Model maker is a great feature. Is there any possibility to adding a Tag to the created model ? If not, could this be developed ?
Thanks
Tag as in name?
Can we get a final sculpt for monoblock dentures? For cases like this, where we want to pick up temp cylinders for a try-in, punching holes using the parametric shapes>cylinder hole would make things much quicker than having to bring this into copy denture
Or sometimes when we finish the monoblock, there's a spot I see that just needs to be sculpted a bit, but often I won't bother because going back to sculpt teeth/gingiva will throw the coupling step and waste so much time re-calculating the assembly even though there's no assembly for monoblocks
A step after finalize or Boolean “Finalize Sculpt” ….I like it and it’s useful ….I use it everyday.
Are there already, or would it be possible to add hot keys for teeth and gingiva?
Can we add the dental office name, phone number and adress to all 3Shape prescriptions that are generated? Labs only see the dentist name on the prescription which is unsifficent to identify which dental office is linked to the case.
Can we get the automatic rugae like with RPD for full upper dentures? The system can already do them on RPD just bring the tool into full dentures.
And frenum attachments for upper and lower 🙌🏻🙌🏻
The cutback for screw retained bridges with gingiva should be done at the very end. Doing the crown cutback during the anatomy step and gingiva anatomy in the gingiva step separately doesn't make sense. I just did this with Meshmixer and it's much faster but the finish line is not clean. 3Shape should rethink the workflow for screw retained bridges.
I have a different opinion on this. For me, it’s preferable to do before so that I can know material thickness once reduction is made.
Can we get a wax tool to either add up to a selected additional scan, or reduce down to a selected scan (with a drop down menu to select which scan to reference to?) I spent a lot of my day scanning in impressions of temps in the mouth and adjusting my design down to them manually. Sort of like the way to morph to prepreparation tool works, but as a wax knife and only on the areas you click on. Cheers!
Przemek Seweryniak Dtg has been asking for precise sculpt to additional scan for YEARS The trick is to import an additional scan as an opposing, flip normals, and precise sculpt to that “antagonist”
I also asked for years now. It shouldnt be a trick or workaround but it should be a tool!
Can we get realview pictures memorized? It is so annoying calibrating picture everytime we close and reopen the case...
I've seen this a couple times now in the 21.2.2 software. Can we get it fixed? This is from Edwin van der Male .
I say mill it
This is a bit of a rant, if I import an order that has dropped off the database due to date, and I open the order without making a copy the flipping software should not drop the order out of the database before I finish the modifications. Wasted 1.5 hours
True. Only Way is to take a copy and work on that. But it should be possible to protect an order from cleanup. For example to right click it. “Protect from cleanup” or something similar.
Yeah closed cases have been a PITA for a while now
You can change the create date after importing, and it won’t remove it.
Would be nice to see a percent value % rather than a linear numerical value when scaling groups.
In cases like these where teeth are not grouped together due to being separated by edentulous spans, i want to scale my segments so that the library is all uniform in size.
More ideally, if we could Shift + Click and group things on the fly... that would be nice too
YES! I just thought about this today when designing mock up for a smile design!
You're on a roll lately.
Yes! It would be really helpful
Ctr+scale should make the uniform scales
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It would be really swell to have an option to have the die direction copy the insertion direction. For people like me who only print solids and dies I don't care at all for having the dies be in the base, but I do care if the angle between the die and the die base is acute. I find 3d printed dies fit best if they are straight. Would save a ton of time if there was a checkmark box to default to this instead of manually setting it every time.
100% agree!
Yes please. Solid model and T-die is the best option for accuracy. Would also like to see that become the default in order form so we don’t have to worry if a designer changed it correctly.
Following
Have been feedbackong this since 2014…. Maybee one day 😜
Nobody wants to be a copy cat, but 3Shape should really consider the same pricing model as BlueSkyBio.com
Designs are free, only pay for what you download.
I actually use BSB over implant studio because it just doesn’t make sense at our current volume to shell out a year’s worth of licensing when we don’t have the amount of cases to justify and offset the upfront cost
or perhaps allow cad points
I will be so mad if they finally do that after I bought it.. Whenever I brought it up with 3shape they seemed to have no intentions in doing it.
I actually prefer the $600. That’s only 10 exports from Straumann coDx
If you need to export from bluesky, I can help you at a lower cost. I have several exports that I no longer use.
yes please! for single implants I likes implant studio more. For anything more complex - not only exports but the whole workflow for BSB wins : ) also just looking how fast BSB evolves puts expensive implant studio to shame 🙁
We are looking into relevant models. If you do the math BSB is more expensive if you just do a decent amount of guides, but obviously upfront cost is higher
Okay but shells from BSB make me cry... a lot of spare triangles, sleeves angles completely distorted.... I think the quality of the software is not comparable....
So you can down load the software for free
Hey why does the morph to preprep smooth over the details so much? Why can't we have a preprep copy that is lossless in detail?
If we stop to think about how amazing it is that we can even do that with as much accuracy as we can… it’s pretty impressive But I agree, copying triangles should be essentially lossless *in theory*
Have you set smoothing to 0
I have found that the closer you move the crown design to the pre-prep, the better the detail when you morph it. And click it a couple times until it's right (if needed)
It would be so good to be able to change the teeth on copy dentures.
Yes‼️ They look like Teeth made of Play-Doh
There is already a way😎
It would be nice to be able to adjust the thickness of the borders in the full denture module. Thay come out too thin and it taces too long to thicken them manually.
Sorry about the spelling mistakes 😁😁😁
It is possible to define thickness during desing, required value could be set at Denture base step at Base thickness value
Would be nice if we had the option to change if an attachment was additive or subtractive on-the-fly rather than having to back out and go alllll the way into control panel, duplicate, and change it to an additive attachment.
Working on this case here with some zest anchors for a denture that will be picked up chairside. So if i could just select the locator and housing, attach that to the model from my preliminary setup, and sculpt a bit around it in order to create a little extra room for pickup material to flow, it would make things super quick.
Now instead, I need to sculpt by eye like some uncivilized caveman...
attached a bunch of parametric cylinders instead, but it would've been cooler so my point still stands.
I spent many a hours trying to get a system for it too. Wanted my printed dentures to have the housings cut out for inserts to be put in to try out before a milled final. Was able to do it but the time spent was too much. Was fun when it worked though
Yes please
Not going back all the way for things, sound like “Expert mode” 🙏
I know they working hard on it in the new version Better options to use attachments for overdentures
It would be so good to be able to change the nesting position of ivotion at any time.
Specially at the end of design.
Denture base must follow ivotion to make sure patient does not get denture with white gingiva. Thats why it's locked after denture base steps
Please offer all moving tools from the denture module into C&B!
We should make a post about this every single day and vice-versa until we get what we want😂 Crown and bridge tools in denture module!
I sure wouldn’t be mad with the mirror tool moved into the denture module, too!
Do you need to make your smile designs ? to make surgical guides ? Plan your implants ? Or many other things?
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1. Would be nice to skip the coupling step in ivotion as there is no coupling really happening. It just waits time
Funny thing is you even get coupling errors quite often.
2. In copy denture I wish I could create a protected surface area so I could modify the rest of the areas without accidentally changing the fitting surface for example.
3. Please allow ivotion nesting process at the end of any design. This way we could use in copy denture and other applications much easier.
Denture designer suggestion
Allow us to make the connectors less than 70-70-60
OR
Allow the sculpt tool to reduce JUST the connector in the next step to protect the anatomy of the teeth. Much like the tools can do in C&B module when you are using a specific preset like sculpt to antagonist or sculpt to contact
John Wilson, are printing or milling? I ask because if printing it makes sense. If milling it really doesn't because it is a 1mm burr milling those areas and it won't get into there (unless you are using a custom strategy that utilizes the 0.5mm burr or some third Party burrs).
Yep, or like I suggested a couple of weeks ago, no connectors at all and still be able to mill them bridged.
OR… just let me intersect designed teeth like I do in C&B and don’t tell me what to do with my connectors, you’re not my mother😂
Taras Kucher
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The old switcheroo: give me denture transform tools so I can move upper and lower arches in perfect occlusion simultaneously in the crown and bridge design module.
On these larger full-mouth diagnostics, having the teeth come in already in occlusion and moving them arbitrarily so we can assess the need to open VDO and advising how much preparation of tooth structure may be needed would make my life so much easier and save me so much time.
Thats what "simple initial placement of a smilelibrary" truly mean. 🤣🤣
Yeeeeeeeeeeee. Gimme gimme gimme
What is an time saving estimate on such a case Minh Tran ? 😊
So this is a small thing, but does anyone really want the articulator to open when they double click on the model?? I must close accidentally opened articulators like 300 times a day 🤣
Yeah it’s kind of a dumb shortcut now that you mention it…🤔
Will Varda what would you expect to happen when double clicking the model ? 🤔😊
Press ~ while ine smile composer..................😂
Love this shortcut. Will Varda. Why would you double click the model if you don’t want the articulator activated. Make smith. It would be cool if the user could customize the shortcut when double clicking though.
Dear 3shape, allow me to formally recant my suggestion. Clearly I am out of touch with the demographic and need mouse clicking lessons or less coffee. Thank you. Will
In the denture module when using the gingivator, i would love to use different setting for the front six or even front eight and have a different setting for the posterior region. Dentures are supposed to be self cleansing by nature especially since one of the functions of the buccinator muscle is to push food around clean the sides of the cheek area. That being said it would be extremely benificial to set heavy festooning “like” settings with gingivator for the front and a more soft setting for the posterior. Maybe even something like the presets of the waxknife. Also it would be nice to be able to tilt the directions of the root eminence
Would be nice to have a icon in the design window that would pop up the NOTES section of the orderform to review design indications entered in this area without click back to review order form which is ridiculously slow
Yes!
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Would be awesome to have a drop down in the order form to add a category icon to aid us in managing cases. We could then sort by a color icon and or group cases based on need. I have always advocated a folder based system to organise items better and now with 4 different portals it's becoming quite taxing managing the workflow. Cases are easily mismanaged when its grouped they way they are today.
What exactly do you mean? Like in priority?
following
Folders would be very useful. Tags would be nice too for searching for cases but not instead of folders but in addition to.
Hello, my dears. When importing .3oxz Trios data into Exocad, we always get for example Color 3 or Coler 4 etc. Who knows the conversion into Vita classical colors? for example A4 or A2. Thank you very much for your answers 🙂
Heavily staggered teeth are almost impossible to do in the denture module without heavy modification of the teeth size and where they touch, because it won't generate the connectors. I'm not sure how to solve this, but maybe an on the fly option to have no connectors in certain areas and mill them still as a bridged section like in the crown and bridge module. I had them heavier staggered than this, but it was impossible to generate connectors. Thx.
Still facing this issue in certain fabulous smile libraries in the denture module
I face it no matter what the library.
This is how I had it originally and would've been cool if it wen through.
Top view, just never generated connectors.
Can we have a block out/ survey stage for table top design. Not just for snap ons, but for stints in general for implants.
Please change the default of ID tags on positioning guides to be off. This is the step that errors and freezes the software on abutment cases. If it’s off by default, the user can choose to turn it on once in the step or better yet, make it a control panel option to turn it off so it’s not automatic.
Exact this
recently updated to 21.2 one issue I have is the speed of the articulator movements in the denture design software. This video isn't slowed, it's so painful